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Post by jestress on Aug 7, 2014 5:45:59 GMT
Nice to know I'm not the only one (besides Amanda ) who does the rambling thing. I tend to do it when I'm really getting into a topic, when it's something I'm excited about. I think it's partly because my thoughts are moving much faster than I can talk, and it's my way of trying to catch up. My chain of thought can also get pretty convoluted sometimes, and I tend to pull in other related or semi-related topics at odd moments. Trying to explain those to other people can get confusing (and sometimes, it's really not a good idea, although most of the people I know are used to it). Notice that in my posts I often have side comments in parentheses? The parentheses are hard to depict when you're talking out loud. Some of my rambling may also be due to my background in historical studies. I might be reaching a little with this, but one of my teachers once pointed out that we tend to tell history "from the inside out." In other words, you start by talking about Historical Incident A, but you realize that the person you're talking to won't really understand Incident A until you backtrack and explain what happened that led up to it. Then, after you've explained that, you can finish talking about Incident A, and you also really ought to explain what happened after Incident A so people can appreciate why Incident A is significant. Besides doing this when I talk about history, I do this kind of thing all the time when I'm telling people stuff in my daily life. (ex. I decided to take a trip to Jerome. I wanted to go there because I was interested in the history of the town . . . rambles on about history for awhile, including what the town is like now, then returns to the topic of the trip, eventually mentions ghost stories and the ghost hunting tour and oh, by the way, there was a train trip too . . . etc.) You should see my brother's face when I'm telling someone a funny story and I sort of backtrack a bit to explain something so that they'll find the punchline even funnier, and he just wants me to get to the point. I think I've seen Amanda do both of those kinds of rambles, sometimes in the same conversation. She'll be telling Lee some theory that she has about the current case, but she'll backtrack and talk about the reason why she came up with the theory, trying to explain her complicated thought process by telling way too many details about the book/movie/conversation that gave her the idea (some are useful but some aren't) and adding in little side comments as they occur to her (ex. "Philip's got a great memory, gets it from me" or "Gee, that's sad. You know, children can really make a difference in a marriage . . .") while Lee just wants her to hurry up and get to the point.
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Post by learjet on Aug 7, 2014 10:16:56 GMT
Well, looking at the chart on wikipedia (not having taken the test) I think I'm I**J (probably ISFJ; possible wobble on the F/T), but I haven't posted on this thread before now. I'm slightly interested in the discussion of MBTI but not overly so --> I vote for option 2. (Oh, wait? This is supposed to be statistically driven? Proper sample sizes, control groups, and randomness? My bad!) KC, we're definitely in the realms of non-quantitive research which is dressed up with % etc to make it look more quantitative. So you don't need forgiveness... I just can't help my bad quantitive research jokes which only I (and a couple of other outliers like yourslef) understand. I suspect you're definitely a IS_J, btw. I now think I'm an ISTJ who's got elements of an ISFJ and elements an INTJ. Yes, that really doesn't make sense - I suspect I've overindulged in introspection recently .
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Post by learjet on Aug 7, 2014 10:30:08 GMT
Nice to know I'm not the only one (besides Amanda ) who does the rambling thing. I tend to do it when I'm really getting into a topic, when it's something I'm excited about. I think it's partly because my thoughts are moving much faster than I can talk, and it's my way of trying to catch up. My chain of thought can also get pretty convoluted sometimes, and I tend to pull in other related or semi-related topics at odd moments. Trying to explain those to other people can get confusing (and sometimes, it's really not a good idea, although most of the people I know are used to it). Notice that in my posts I often have side comments in parentheses? The parentheses are hard to depict when you're talking out loud. Some of my rambling may also be due to my background in historical studies. I might be reaching a little with this, but one of my teachers once pointed out that we tend to tell history "from the inside out." In other words, you start by talking about Historical Incident A, but you realize that the person you're talking to won't really understand Incident A until you backtrack and explain what happened that led up to it. Then, after you've explained that, you can finish talking about Incident A, and you also really ought to explain what happened after Incident A so people can appreciate why Incident A is significant. Besides doing this when I talk about history, I do this kind of thing all the time when I'm telling people stuff in my daily life. (ex. I decided to take a trip to Jerome. I wanted to go there because I was interested in the history of the town . . . rambles on about history for awhile, including what the town is like now, then returns to the topic of the trip, eventually mentions ghost stories and the ghost hunting tour and oh, by the way, there was a train trip too . . . etc.) You should see my brother's face when I'm telling someone a funny story and I sort of backtrack a bit to explain something so that they'll find the punchline even funnier, and he just wants me to get to the point. I think I've seen Amanda do both of those kinds of rambles, sometimes in the same conversation. She'll be telling Lee some theory that she has about the current case, but she'll backtrack and talk about the reason why she came up with the theory, trying to explain her complicated thought process by telling way too many details about the book/movie/conversation that gave her the idea (some are useful but some aren't) and adding in little side comments as they occur to her (ex. "Philip's got a great memory, gets it from me" or "Gee, that's sad. You know, children can really make a difference in a marriage . . .") while Lee just wants her to hurry up and get to the point. So I read this Jestress and I think - how can I quantify what Jestress is saying? Maybe a diagram would help how history is described. And then I think - it's a good thing that Jestress is into history and writing, and I'm into numbers (but haven't you said before you're good at Maths too?). I have such a linear approach - I'd say: let's look at the background and factors leading to Incident A, then describe incident A, then its significance and then the results of Incident A on Incident B, C and D which occurred afterwards. I guess is why I will never be writer and you are one. Are you into mind maps when you plan writing or assignments? I totally see how you apply what you are like to Amanda. I'm even more fascinated in the fact that you have thought this through and linked your behaviour to Amanda's behaviour. I think I relate more to how Lee's mind work ( mind not social tendencies). And, much as I love her, I do NOT understand how Dotty's mind works - I can't see any logical connections which is probably what makes her so funny.
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Post by learjet on Aug 7, 2014 12:09:05 GMT
Well, looking at the chart on wikipedia (not having taken the test) I think I'm I**J (probably ISFJ; possible wobble on the F/T), but I haven't posted on this thread before now. I'm slightly interested in the discussion of MBTI but not overly so --> I vote for option 2. (Oh, wait? This is supposed to be statistically driven? Proper sample sizes, control groups, and randomness? My bad!) Sorry KC I should explain why I think you a S (and a very good one) - your eye for detail in JWWM ie rip noises, small inconsistencies, changes to tie positions, spotting things in the corner of frames...
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Post by KC on Aug 7, 2014 12:54:42 GMT
LOL. I was pretty set on the IS_J - it was the F/T that I wobble with, but I think I'm more F than T. Shrug. But again, that's purely from the chart, not actual testing.
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Post by jestress on Aug 8, 2014 3:15:23 GMT
So I read this Jestress and I think - how can I quantify what Jestress is saying? Maybe a diagram would help how history is described. And then I think - it's a good thing that Jestress is into history and writing, and I'm into numbers (but haven't you said before you're good at Maths too?). I have such a linear approach - I'd say: let's look at the background and factors leading to Incident A, then describe incident A, then its significance and then the results of Incident A on Incident B, C and D which occurred afterwards. I guess is why I will never be writer and you are one. Are you into mind maps when you plan writing or assignments? I totally see how you apply what you are like to Amanda. I'm even more fascinated in the fact that you have thought this through and linked your behaviour to Amanda's behaviour. I think I relate more to how Lee's mind work ( mind not social tendencies). And, much as I love her, I do NOT understand how Dotty's mind works - I can't see any logical connections which is probably what makes her so funny. The linking to Amanda's behavior was kind of an accident. A couple of years ago, when I started watching SMK again, I was thinking about how I found Amanda's rambles to be a bit annoying when I first encountered the series, but they didn't seem as strange to me anymore. I think maybe I was focusing on Lee and sharing his impatience more the first time, and more recently, I started listening more to Amanda. I forget which ramble really got me thinking about it, but the one in Filming Raul, where she's speculating about where the bad guys are hiding is a pretty good example. When Lee gets frustrated because they can't find the bad guys and they're running out of time, Amanda starts off saying, in a roundabout kind of way, that if she were hiding, she'd pick a hiding place within a hiding place. She doesn't call it a subbasement at first, even though that's what she's thinking of, she just describes the general conditions of the hiding place. Then, when Lee is confused about what she means, she says that they could be in a subbasement of the warehouse they searched. Then, she backtracks and talks about how she was once on a project where they were looking for places to grow mushrooms and they considered using subbasements in the area. She goes on to say that not many people even know that the subbasements are there, so it's likely that no one even thought to look for them during the search, and they would make ideal places to hide. So, one day, I was watching a ramble like that, and I was thinking, what she's saying is right, but she's including a little too much detail. And there she goes, backtracking a bit, which can help clarify things, although Lee finds it a little unnerving. Then, it hit me. I do that. I do that more than I really should. I think I'm doing Amanda-rambles. O.o I can't say for sure that Amanda does them for exactly the same reasons, but when I do it, it's really more like I'm thinking aloud than just talking. I'm just guessing that Amanda does something similar. If Amanda had taken the time to organize her thoughts in Filming Raul, she could have put forth the idea about the hiding place in a more linear way: You know, I was on a project once that involved subbasements in the area. Has anyone thought to check if these guys are hiding in a subbasement? Not as detailed as what she eventually said, but much more direct. When I'm writing something, I don't usually chart things out ahead of time. My teachers tried to get me to make outlines and stuff, but (partly out of laziness) I usually just wanted to plunge into things, putting down everything I could think of and organizing it as I went along, connecting up ideas and eventually figuring out what the conclusion was going to be. When i do stories, I often start with a list of characters and a list of ideas about the story (main concepts and events). Not an outline exactly, more like just a list. I keep it in a separate file from the story and change things as I write, removing things I've changed my mind about and adding little reminder notes to other stuff.
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Post by learjet on Aug 8, 2014 23:43:26 GMT
I forget which ramble really got me thinking about it, but the one in Filming Raul, where she's speculating about where the bad guys are hiding is a pretty good example. When Lee gets frustrated because they can't find the bad guys and they're running out of time, Amanda starts off saying, in a roundabout kind of way, that if she were hiding, she'd pick a hiding place within a hiding place. She doesn't call it a subbasement at first, even though that's what she's thinking of, she just describes the general conditions of the hiding place. Then, when Lee is confused about what she means, she says that they could be in a subbasement of the warehouse they searched. Then, she backtracks and talks about how she was once on a project where they were looking for places to grow mushrooms and they considered using subbasements in the area. She goes on to say that not many people even know that the subbasements are there, so it's likely that no one even thought to look for them during the search, and they would make ideal places to hide. So, one day, I was watching a ramble like that, and I was thinking, what she's saying is right, but she's including a little too much detail. And there she goes, backtracking a bit, which can help clarify things, although Lee finds it a little unnerving. Then, it hit me. I do that. I do that more than I really should. I think I'm doing Amanda-rambles. O.o I can't say for sure that Amanda does them for exactly the same reasons, but when I do it, it's really more like I'm thinking aloud than just talking. I'm just guessing that Amanda does something similar. If Amanda had taken the time to organize her thoughts in Filming Raul, she could have put forth the idea about the hiding place in a more linear way: You know, I was on a project once that involved subbasements in the area. Has anyone thought to check if these guys are hiding in a subbasement? Not as detailed as what she eventually said, but much more direct. When I'm writing something, I don't usually chart things out ahead of time. My teachers tried to get me to make outlines and stuff, but (partly out of laziness) I usually just wanted to plunge into things, putting down everything I could think of and organizing it as I went along, connecting up ideas and eventually figuring out what the conclusion was going to be. When i do stories, I often start with a list of characters and a list of ideas about the story (main concepts and events). Not an outline exactly, more like just a list. I keep it in a separate file from the story and change things as I write, removing things I've changed my mind about and adding little reminder notes to other stuff. I must start watching the structure of those rambles - I think you're on to something Interesting how you structure your writing. When I write (which is always non-creative writing), I start with a skeleton - lots of headings in the text - and gradually add the layers on the "body". I then do a lot moving text around (phrase, sentences, paragraphs), feel horrified about how bad my writing is, repeat several times and then reluctantly hand it to someone to read. I (like probably most people) find it hard to deal with people's comments on my writing...
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Post by jestress on Oct 12, 2014 21:31:06 GMT
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Post by learjet on Oct 12, 2014 22:42:28 GMT
Classic IMO the text message was created for extrovert to introvert interaction. It shows that someone cares, but doesn't 'eat' up energy...
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2014 21:34:47 GMT
Just a quick line to say I've removed some of the more personal posts in this thread and over them to a new thread in Off Topic. Hope that doesn't leave the discussion too disjointed for you. Feel free to discuss any personal musings on MBTI over there Admin aka Jenbo
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Post by silentnight on Aug 27, 2021 10:29:31 GMT
Add me to the rambling camp. Especially when I'm excited or having a panic attack. I've been told I can talk really quickly.
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