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Post by learjet on Jun 20, 2014 3:54:39 GMT
Looks great, doesn't it! Tks so much. Let's see if anyone can pick up the significance of it.
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Post by BJo on Jun 20, 2014 3:56:11 GMT
We didn't test them, iwsod, we just picked what we thought they would be based on descriptions of each component. They were descriptions of the components as I understood them. And actually, I don't really know MBTI so much as I know the next generations so to speak in Keirsey-Bates. Either Keirsey, Bates, or both was a student of Myers and kept her work current and updated. The KB sorter might have more relevant language to today. Here is a link to the most current sorter: www.keirsey.com/sorter/register.aspxAnyway, I've own and have read Please Understand Me and Please Understand Me II - both by Keirsey. Both interesting! And I actually did two sessions with my adult Sunday School class years ago to explain the components and had everyone take the test from the book. It was a fun experience to go through!
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Post by iwsod on Jun 20, 2014 4:00:48 GMT
I guess I can outline the second letter choice: S (Sensing) or N (Intuition) Sooo funny given Amanda's instincts and all This one answers the question of how you prefer to take in information: Sensing (focuses on reality, likes concrete details, pragmatic..) Intuition (imagines possibilities, the big picture, enjoys exploring ideas and using poetic language, metaphors etc.) Okay. I find this one slightly easier than the first one.. (and haven't looked at what you guys have picked yet) I'll go with Lee- IS Amanda - IN (fixed typo!)
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Post by BJo on Jun 20, 2014 4:02:39 GMT
BTW BJo, I scored the maximum for J'ness. Can make me a little hard to live with at times... I think I may only be 90% J. I'm 100% T and probably 90% S. My husband is a high P, so it makes like quite interesting at times in my house...grrrrr.
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Post by learjet on Jun 20, 2014 4:02:44 GMT
I 've ordered Please Understand Me from my library now. Never read it.
My husband and I have found the MB stuff useful to understand how we process things differently - has made us more tolerant of each other
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Post by iwsod on Jun 20, 2014 4:03:25 GMT
So far.. looks like we all agree Lee is Sensing and Amanda is Intuition!
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Post by BJo on Jun 20, 2014 4:04:18 GMT
makes LIFE quite interesting...not like! Doh!
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Post by iwsod on Jun 20, 2014 4:04:21 GMT
We didn't test them, iwsod, we just picked what we thought they would be based on descriptions of each component. They were descriptions of the components as I understood them. And actually, I don't really know MBTI so much as I know the next generations so to speak in Keirsey-Bates. Either Keirsey, Bates, or both was a student of Myers and kept her work current and updated. The KB sorter might have more relevant language to today. Here is a link to the most current sorter: www.keirsey.com/sorter/register.aspxAnyway, I've own and have read Please Understand Me and Please Understand Me II - both by Keirsey. Both interesting! And I actually did two sessions with my adult Sunday School class years ago to explain the components and had everyone take the test from the book. It was a fun experience to go through! I don't know of them! I'll check it out thanks BJo!
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Post by BJo on Jun 20, 2014 4:05:02 GMT
Okay - I really don't want to leave this party, but I've got to get some work done on that paper...I'll check in tomorrow when I'm taking a break!
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Post by learjet on Jun 20, 2014 4:05:07 GMT
BTW BJo, I scored the maximum for J'ness. Can make me a little hard to live with at times... I think I may only be 90% J. I'm 100% T and probably 90% S. My husband is a high P, so it makes like quite interesting at times in my house...grrrrr. My husband is a borderline P/J but he appears v P compared to me, so yes it can lead to some tension. At work, he comes across as a J because he's surrounded by Ps
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Post by BJo on Jun 20, 2014 4:07:32 GMT
Looks great, doesn't it! Tks so much. Let's see if anyone can pick up the significance of it. So just who is Lee leering at? Okay, really bye for real!! I'm shutting down my browser.....
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Post by iwsod on Jun 20, 2014 4:09:48 GMT
I'll outline third and fourth letters also.. so we can come back to this.
Third Letter is either T (Thinking) or F (Feeling)
It asks: how do you prefer to make decisions?? Thinking ( decisions are impersonal, logical. value justice fairness, enjoy identifying flaws in argument, reasonable, level-headed)
Feeling (decisions are based on person values and how actions affect others, value harmony and forgiveness, like pleasing others and seeing the best in people, warm, empathic)
The fourth letter could be J (Judging) or P (perceiving) It asks: how do you prefer to live your outer life? Judging (like to have a definite answer, rules should be respected, likes detailed step by step instructions, makes plans and wants to know expected outcomes)
Perceiving (prefer open options, sees rules as flexible, likes to improvise and make things up as they go, spontaneous, enjoy surprises and new situations)
Soooooo any thoughts? I think I'll head off now and come back to this later today! byeeeee it's been wonderful having a chat of sorts with you all today! byeeee
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Post by morley on Jun 20, 2014 11:51:10 GMT
I had to leave this fun discussion to sleep. I am back now . Hi! I am going to agree with the camp of people that thought that Lee in the beginning of the series was an E but changed to an I as he grew in his relationship with Amanda. I think he was an E early on because he had so many things that he was protecting himself from that he couldn't be by himself. He needed to be energized from outside himself. As he began to heal, he began to become more comfortable with who he was, he didn't need the night clubs and the dates. He could be alone and re-energize that way. Maybe part of that is me projecting my own I on him. Not that there is anything wrong with finding be out more energizing, just doesn't work for me (may have something to do with my busy household, I crave alone time).
The last three don't change for him, in my view. I have him as a STP
I think I agreed with BJo on Amanda, she is an INFJ And for information's sake, I came in as an ISFJ but my breakdown of the S/N component was so close (51% S, 49% N) that I could swing either way at any given moment. I am also pretty balanced in the F/T part. Completely J though.
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Post by morley on Jun 20, 2014 12:32:17 GMT
Ok, I have a question. I was thinking about the difference between BJo's MB results for Lee and mine. Maybe this is a qualitative vs quantitative question and maybe one of you wonderful psyche people can answer it. What would be the difference between a defense mechanism and a personality trait and how would it show on a MB test at different stages of a person's healing process?
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Post by jestress on Jun 20, 2014 17:49:52 GMT
I had to leave this fun discussion to sleep. I am back now . Hi! I am going to agree with the camp of people that thought that Lee in the beginning of the series was an E but changed to an I as he grew in his relationship with Amanda. I think he was an E early on because he had so many things that he was protecting himself from that he couldn't be by himself. He needed to be energized from outside himself. As he began to heal, he began to become more comfortable with who he was, he didn't need the night clubs and the dates. He could be alone and re-energize that way. Maybe part of that is me projecting my own I on him. Not that there is anything wrong with finding be out more energizing, just doesn't work for me (may have something to do with my busy household, I crave alone time). The last three don't change for him, in my view. I have him as a STP I think I agreed with BJo on Amanda, she is an INFJ And for information's sake, I came in as an ISFJ but my breakdown of the S/N component was so close (51% S, 49% N) that I could swing either way at any given moment. I am also pretty balanced in the F/T part. Completely J though. My results to the test were actually pretty similar to yours. It occurs to me that, besides some answers being based on what's happening in your life at the time you take the test, part of it might also be learned behavior. When you think about it, the N side (which seems to be about imagination and big ideas) needs the S to provide details, information, and practicality to build on those ideas and make them reality. It could also work the other way around, with imagination providing uses for practical information. Developing the T side of your personality could also help balance out the F side and vice versa. It might be a nature vs. nurture thing. I think we might be born with leanings one way or the other, but we can shift over time, depending on things that happen to us and which sides of our personality we choose to develop. Some people may also be naturally between two qualities with only slight leanings in either direction, like people who are ambidextrous but slightly favor one hand over the other. Early on, Lee acted more like an E (especially in his dating life), but I think there are signs that he was kind of an I too. There are times when he's out with other people but not really part of the crowd, like at the Christmas party in the first season. Francine points out that he's not really getting into the spirit of things, and he says that he's not really into parties. He's just kind of standing back, watching everything, and not really talking to people. When Lee takes Amanda to an embassy party as a treat at the end of Dead Ringer, he mentions that those things can go on for hours as if he can really only take so much of it before he gets bored or tired of it. He kind of gives me the impression that he's not really interested in mingling with the crowd and meeting lots of new people. He's really only there because of Amanda. When he's social, it mostly seems to be on a one-on-one basis or in small groups. Like you said, the E aspects might be because of things that were going on or had happened in his life and covering up for things that he didn't really want to think about. Later, when he became more comfortable with those things, he could let the I side of his personality develop more.
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